References[ edit ] The way the article was written was not in line with the Wikipedia manual of style , or with citation and footnote guidelines. The primary source was never once given, so to cite: "Podhajsky page " is of no help to the reader. There is no primary source with that. The references have been removed, and instead, I have added a bibliography, and some genuine references. In addition, the tone of the article is not appropriate for Wikipedia, with regards to neutrality , and as someone mentioned above, being a bit extreme in the "emotional admiration" area.
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References[ edit ] The way the article was written was not in line with the Wikipedia manual of style , or with citation and footnote guidelines. The primary source was never once given, so to cite: "Podhajsky page " is of no help to the reader.
There is no primary source with that. The references have been removed, and instead, I have added a bibliography, and some genuine references. In addition, the tone of the article is not appropriate for Wikipedia, with regards to neutrality , and as someone mentioned above, being a bit extreme in the "emotional admiration" area.
Additionally, the article relied too much on personal quotations. While helpful sparingly, these are not what make up an article, or it becomes more about what the person said, and less about the person themselves.
To this end, I will be doing some major re-writing and cleaning up of this article, which will result in its being visibly much shorter, but more encyclopedic, as well as adding valid, reliable, third-party sources to cite to the facts stated. For one thing, the article is about this person, not about dressage, or the history of dressage, or World War II, or the history of the war.
These two items alone took up the majority of the article. This is unnecessary, and what wiki links are for. There are no more quotes from other people which, as mentioned, were never cited properly, giving the reader no idea who was being referred to, for example, some of the references just said "Internet, page 3".
This was not helpful, nor proper. While I realize that the initial comparison will be this article has been shortened too much, the facts are that the article was less about the person, and more about items that are found elsewhere on Wikipedia. Thus, the article now is in line with the rest of the biographies, as well as being neutral, and properly sourced. If anyone is able to find out more about his early life, education, history, that would be great, but there just is not much out there on the internet with this information.
And thanks for the time you put in to fix it. However, Podhajsky is an extremely important figure in the history of Dressage and in that of the Lipizzan horse breed, thus there is a need to restore some material to explain the thing that he is famous for. The fact that he rode in the Olympics was a minor sidelight, it was his relationship with Patton that saved the Lipizzan breed for which he is best remembered. That said, I have to agree that the Dressage section was covered elsewhere and the quotes were overdone.
I made a few tweaks, tried to cite to sources as needed. FYI, everyone seems to think Patton and Podhajsky knew each other, but Patton participated in the Olympics, Poshajsky later, so it would be interesting to figure out how or even if they actually had met in the past. To cite "Internet, page 3," as was done in the article, is of no help. Additionally, this was brought to the attention of other editors for that specific reason: A reader could not understand what the citations went to, what source they were supposed to refer to, and thus, they needed to be removed and valid sources found.
Despite my knowledge, your knowledge, etc. Also, technically speaking, equiworld. If this article were ever up for good article nomination, I have a feeling that would need to be moved to external links and another valid reference found to cite the passage.
I do wish we could have tagged the two books that were mentioned as "Podhajsky" and"Bowie" in hopes of getting whoever put them in to come up with titles and other info. The quotes were extensive and to some extent interesting even if too long for the article.
I tried using them initially and found them unwieldy and a real PITA. Other than that they do the layout for you, what use are they? Montanabw talk , 8 October UTC The book that was used to quote from is added to the bibliography. But a self-written book by the subject is not considered a reliable source, except to cite to quotes, which is done in this article now.
As for templates , they are used to standardize references, and are quite easy to use once you get the hang of them. They are a preferred way to cite references, because they allow a variety of information to be added, all in the exact same order, which results in ease of reading for someone viewing the article. I invite you to compare the huge difference it provides, using two articles that I revamped with templates: Lightning before:  , after:  , and and University of California, Santa Barbara before:  , After:  as you can see, this is a vast improvement.
Also, a good amount of editors do not know how to format the references per the manual of style, and simply put a URL in a ref tag, occasionally with a title. I personally use a quick little application that formats URLs into the template format quickly and painlessly, and while they may make editing more difficult for new users, to the reader of the article, the improvement is much better than a naked URL placed in article space.
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A veteran of World War I, Podhajsky was more hardscrabble than one might glean from the affable tone of his letters today. He witnessed the decline of mounted cavalry across Europe firsthand, subsequent to mechanization and advanced munitions. Nevertheless, Podhajsky succeeded in making a career involving his lifelong love of horses between the wars. Podhajsky was a gentleman, and fascinated with horses since childhood.
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